Mufaro wakaguma nokuputika kwehondo, Tabakov aiva nemakore matanhatu chete. Baba naamai - vanachiremba-vakaita basa ravo, uye chikuru muupenyu hwaida vanambuya. Kubva pamusana pemugwagwa mukomana akasarudza kuponesa munharaunda yevheti yePaul of Pioneers nevana vechikoro. Chaizvoizvo, zvinhu zvose zvakatanga ipapo. Ndiyo musoro wezvenhau Saratov studio, Oleg Pavlovich achiri kufunga nezve "mwarikadzi mune basa.
Kusiyana nevamwe vaaishanda navo, muhupenyu hwake humwe Oleg Tabakov aisafanira kutyisa makuru emayunivhesiti - akazonyora kamwechete kusvika kuchikoro chechipiri - kuGITIS uye kuMoscow Art Theatre School yainzi Neemirovich-Danchenko ... Akasarudza Moscow Art Theater School-Studio. Kubvira panguva iyo ave ari kutamba ... Rwendo rwemabasa ake mumitambo uye cinema zvingatora mapeji anopfuura rimwe, pamwe nekudzidzisa (uye kwete muRussia chete, asiwo kune dzimwe nyika: hurukuro dzake muAmerica dzakapindwa na Murray Abraham naDustin Hoffman) mabhii maviri - Moscow Art Theater. Chekhov uye anonzi "Snuffbox" ... Asi anozviti haasi mutungamiri, asi "mutungamiriri wezvinetso", uyo akakwanisa kungomutsivazve mumatambudziko panguva yemitambo, asiwo kudzoka vataridzi ikoko. Upenyu hwehupenyu hweTabakov hurikukurukurwa nemufaro: makore gumi apfuura kubvira pakaroora mukomana wemakore 60 weTabakov pamusikana wemakore makumi matatu anonzi Marina Zudina, uye kukakavadzana pamusoro pechinyorwa ichi hachina kupera. Munguva iyi, Tabakov, kwete kunyanya kunetseka pamusoro pekukura kwaive kuverengera pachikamu cheMarina (vasati varoorana, hukama hwavo hwakaramba husingaregi kana makore 12), anofara nekuzvarwa kwevana - Paul na Masha. Iko mavari kuti anoona zvinoreva kuvapo uye simba rekusimba
Mujubheri rake 75 anoshingairira kubvisa, anotamba Tartuffe pachigamba, anotungamirira mashandare, anopa maruva kuvakadzi vake vanodikanwa uye anoedza kuramba achifambidzana nevechidiki vemazuva ano. Nezvebasa rakaoma, pamusoro pehukama pakati pevanhu nevatariri - Oleg Tabakov akati mune imwe hurukuro.
- Unoziva, Oleg Pavlovich, nevanhu vakaita semi, ini handidi kutaura pamusoro pezviri pachena kubva mumabasa enyu, mabasa.
Vongai nokuda kwaro!
- Izvi ndezvako kune zvose.
Hongu, ndine chimwe chinhu? Ndiri kuita chimwe chinhu chandinoda, uye ndinounza mufaro kune vamwe! Zvinosvika pakuti iye pachake anofara, uye ndinoita kuti vamwe vafare. Saka, iwe, semuenzaniso, unofara apo uri kutarisa firimu yakanaka kana kushanda?
- Zvakanyanya!
Kunyange kana pasina chinhu chitsva chakawanikwa, chinonzwika kana chakaonekwa?
- Kunyange zvakadaro!
Heino iwe uri - mucherechedzo unoziva. "Kubva kumasasa edu," sezvinoita hama dzinoshanda!
- Unogara uchikurukura nevanhu. Iwe unofarira uye unoda here shure kwezvose zvawaona, wakadzidza?
Oo, o ... Zvechokwadi. Ndinogara ndichitaura nevateereri vangu. Munharaunda, muchitoro, pamwe nevavakidzani pavakasvika. Zvechokwadi, handisi kuzvitambudza. Usafunga nezvechimwe chinhu chakadai. Ndinongogara ndichiteerera vanhu vanoda kutaura chimwe chinhu, kuti vawane. Mushure mezvose, ini pachangu ndakanga ndiri muhuduku hwangu.
- Sei?
Uye vakadaro pano! Pasina mambo mumusoro mangu (kuseka). Icho chinangwa chehuduku nevechidiki kurarama sekumhanya-famba mumunda nema daisies uye cornflowers. Pamusoro pezvikamu zviviri, kutamba, kubhururuka.
- Kana iwe uchitarisa nguva, pakati pevafudzi Tabakov vaduku kana vakuru?
Vavhuni vangu vakanaka nokuti vari vazhinji, uye ivo vose vakasiyana. Zvakasiyana chaizvo. Uye mumwe munhu anouya neboka remaruva emupata, uye mumwe munhu anounza tswanda yemaruva, uye achiri kupa mari kumitambo. Chinhu chikuru ndechokuti ivo vose vanouya kuimba yemitambo nokuda kwerudo kwandiri, uye nekuda kweizvozvo vanowana kufara nemanzwiro kubva pane zvose zviri muhupenyu hwavo hwose. Ndizvo zvinokosha. Unonzwisisa here? Chinhu chikuru ndechekuti mumwe nomumwe wavo (zvakanaka, ndinotarisira kuti munhu wese), uyo akauya kumitambo, anotarisa kunze kwemadziro ake mune zvakasiyana zvakasiyana uye mafungiro.
- Kwakanga kune chiitiko muupenyu hwako chakakuita iwe "munhu akasiyana" here?
Ndine makore makumi maviri nemashanu! Uye ini ndave ndichida iyo yemitambo kubva muhuduku. Unofunga kuti panogona kunge pane chinhu chakadai muhupenyu hwangu here? Zvechokwadi, zvaive. Imwe mubvunzo ndeyokuti nezera remakore makumi manomwe, kwete mose mava kutoyeuka. Kunyanya chaizvo, kwete kudaro. Yeuka, asi kwete zvakadaro. Iwe unoziva, nokuti chiyeuchidzo chevanhu chinorongwa nenzira yakadaro iyo bhokisi redu rinoramba rakanaka pane rakaipa. Saka pamusoro pemitambo yakandigadzirisa ini. Zvechokwadi, izvi ndezvibereko zveSemporary, iro raRibimov. Asi chinhu chinonyanya kukosha ndechemazuva ano. Ndivanaani vanonamatira uye vanoedza kuedza kwandiri nhasi. Izvi ndizvo zvakagadzirwa naNina Chusova, Kirill Serebrennikov, Raikin, Mashkov, Butusov. Handina kuverenga zvose izvi kure.
- Unoitei kuti uchengete tarenda?
Tarenda? Uye zvino ndakafunga kuti, iwe uchataura nezvemafomu angu asinganzwisisi. Zvechokwadi, muhupenyu, kutsva kwekutarisa kunokosha. Ndiko paunenge uchiri muduku, unoona zvose zvekutanga. Uye, kazhinji, maonero makuru kwazvo, pfungwa pamusoro penyika dzakaiswa kubva pamakore maviri kusvika ku5, saka basa revabereki pano rakanyanya kwazvo. Uye zvishoma nezvishoma masuo akavharwa, mabhokisi acho azere, uye iwe unotanga kushandisa zviri mukati. Zvishoma nezvishoma, iwe unotadza kufarira pane zvakakupoteredza. Nenguva isipi, pane chimwe chikonzero zvinoratidzika kuti pawakanga uri muduku, uye mimhanzi yakanga iri nani, uye mabhuku acho anonakidza. Nenzira, izvi hazvisi nguva dzose. Kungofanana neaesthetics inotitenderera inoshanduka - hazvigoneki.
- Sezvo iwe pachako iwe wakataura nezvemafomu ... Unofunga nezvemazana mapaundi akawanda here?
Dai ndisina kutadza, ndingadai ndisina kufunga. Ndiri kutaura nezvechivi chekukara, nenzira. Muzhinji, nokuda kwekushanda ndinorasikirwa kubva 800 magamu kusvika kikilogram. Asi sezvo kurasikirwa kunogona kutadza, ini ndiri pano, uye ndinobhadhara icho nemapes mashanu. Ndizvo zvokudya zvangu zvose!
- Wakaona mufaro wekuva baba kane nguva. Ndeipi iyo yaiva yakanyanyisa, isina kujairika?
Pasha naMasha, avo vakabereka Marina. Sasha, mwanasikana wemhuri yekutanga, Anton-iye mukomana. Uye varume nguva dzose ndivo vekutanga kutsvaga vakomana. Ndakaona Anton ari muchipatara, ndakabva ndanzwisisa-ini! Muzvakanaka, zvose ruzivo uye matambudziko ehubaba zvakanzwa apo Anton naSasha vakadzidza kuchikoro chesekondari. Apo paive kune zvimwe zvikoro, zvinetso zvevechiri kuyaruka. Ipapo ndakazoziva kuti ndaive nemhosva kune avo, uye nokuda kwezviito zvavo. Pakanga pane kunyange zvakadaro - Anton akavhuna girazi, pane imwe nzvimbo nevarume vari mumasuo echiteshi akanwa, akavharirwa nemapurisa, uye mushure mezvowo haana kuenda kuchikoro kwenguva refu. Uyezve ndakafunga kuti: "Ndicho chimwe chinhu chandiri kuipa here? Zvichida vana vangu havaoni nzira yekurarama? "Asi, chokwadi, Pasha naMasha - iyi ndiyo mufaro wangu. Ndinongoshambidza mavari. Uye ivo vari mandiri. Tine mitambo yedu, kukurukurirana, uye mapikicha nemavhidhiyo. Apo Marina anobva kune imwe nzvimbo yekupfura kana paurwendo, hatina chido chekuwana. Ndinovatora, ndinodzinga kwose kwose, uye ivo, ivo, vanoita sevatumwa. Nayo ivo pachavo.
Zvinyararire. Izvozvo chete, zvechokwadi, vamwe vatambi vanoonekwa. Musoro iwoyo unokandirwa shure, saka ugomera mumwe munzira nenzira inokosha. Zvinoshamisa.
- Vanhu vazhinji vanoziva kuti iwe uri mutariri wematheni maviri, umo nyeredzi dzeRussian theater uye cinema dzinoshanda. Vese vari pachena uye vanobvuma pachena kuti iwe uri mutungamiri mukuru, akasiyana. Panguva imwecheteyo, iwe uri kutamba munhandare, iwe unotamba makore makumi manomwe pamatambo, iwe unoita mafirimu uye unoramba uri wemazuva ano ... Ungabatanidza sei? Nzira yekugadzirisa sei?
Zviri nyore kwazvo. Iwe unoda kuda basa rako. Itai chete bhizimusi renyu raunoda. Taura nevanhu vanovada. Ipai nguva dzose mukana wekugadzirisa uye kwete kuvaka mbiri, asi ingova iyo. Uye kuti ave chiremera pakati pevanhu vane makore 20-30, mumwe anofanira kuyeuka zvaaifunga nezvake muhuduku hwake. Asi iyi haisi chinhu chikuru.
- Shandisa huru?
Read Shakespeare. "Hamlet" ibhuku raunogona kuwana mhinduro dzakawanda nemibvunzo mitsva. Pane imwe nguva, zvichida, ndaive nemakore anenge 30-33, ndakataura mazwi eHamlet:
"Tsika ndiyo muvengi wehupenyu hwose," uye akatanga kurarama saizvozvo! Usashandise, asi urarame. Kunyange zvazvo ndinonamata kunyaradzwa. Zvakanaka kudya - Ndinoda. Kuti ugare neshamwari mune imwe resitori yakanaka - zvirokwazvo. Pavanoratidza bhora kana hockey - Handidi kusiya imba zvachose. Saka tonga iwe pachako-tsika dzangu dzakaipa kana kwete.
- Uye muupenyu Oleg Tabakov - munhu anokuvadza kune vadikanwa?
Iwe uri chii ... Ndiwe ani ... Ndiri murume muhukuru hwehupenyu, sezvakataurwa naCarson. Ndiri kunyatsosununguka muupenyu hwezuva nezuva. Ini ndinoda zvishoma, asi zvigoni. Izvi zvinoreva kuti kana mwanakomana waPasha anoziva kuti mangwanani ndinonwa tiki yakasviba nepunikiji temafukoti eeshuga, chingwa chakachena nehotela uye apricot jam, zvino nokuda kwemangwanani ndinowana izvo chete.
- Wakambozvidzidzisa here?
Kwete, hazvisi. Chii iwe ... Ndizvo chete kuti isu mumhuri yedu tinoitwa kuti tiite kuti mumwe nemumwe anakidze uye akanaka. Kuvakadzi vavo - mupfungwa yemudzimai nemwanasikana - Ndinogara ndichipa maruva zvakadaro. Zviri nani kukanganwa musi waMarch 8, nokuti munhu wose anoita izvi. Asi nguva dzose yeuka pamusoro pezvipo nemaruva - izvi, mumaonero angu, ndizvo zvakanyanya.
- Uye nicer. Ndinokuudzai izvi semukadzi!
Ndizvo zvandinofunga! Uye ndinoshuva kuti pedo nemudzimai mumwe nomumwe paiva nemurume akangoyeuka iye, uye kwete nezveimwe nguva dzezororo.
- Uye chii chinoshaikwa mukadzikadzi wemazuva ano, iwe unofunga?
Rusununguko kubva mumagariro nemagungano avo vakanaka vakadzi vakapedzerwa kuwana pamusoro pehafu yezana remakore. Uye zvakadaro-dzidza kuti usavanze manzwiro. Iwe unoda kuva wakazaruka uye unotaura
- "Ndinoda", "Ndinoda", "Ndinoziva".
"Asi varume vanoda zvidhakwa." Sei tichifanira kuisa makadhi ose pamberi penyu kamwechete?
Ndosaka hazvina kukwana kuva mukadzi. Zvakakosha kuva mukadzi akachenjera uyo achati izvi kuitira kuti murume, kana asingamudi iye, achafunga kuti: "Zvakadini kana iri chiitiko changu?" Unoona here? Hapana aizomboti ini ndichabvumirana nemasimba ayo. Uye kushamisika kwevanhu vose paakazviratidza kuti ndaigona. Iwe unofunga kuti ini ndiri kubva kune chido chikuru here? Kwete! Ndanga ndichida kuti iyo mumitambo, iyo yakareba kwemakore akawanda iri mumasvingo uye zvivako zvakasiyana-siyana, yakagadziriswa chaiyo kune vateereri kusona chic, zvipfeko chaiye. Kuti vatevedzeri vanogona kuita mushure mekudzokorora zvakare uye kunonaka kudya muimba yokudyira, kunwa tiyi muimba yavo yekupfeka uye panguva dze7 masikati kuti vabudirire zvakanaka, vakaunganidzwa uye vachinje, kuti vakurire muoni. Izvo ndezvekuda kweizvi zvose, ndinopenga, asi kutendeseka.
- Hausi kutsika pamutsipa werwiyo rwako here?
Kwete, hazvisi. Zvakanaka. Ndichadzokorora zvakare zvakare. Zvose zvandinoita ndezvokufadza uye chete nokuti ndinonzwisisa kukosha kwezviito zvangu uye zvavanosanganisira.
Icho ichi chinzvimbo kwauri here?
Basa? Inonzwika zvikuru. Kwete, hazvisi. Iwe unoziva, mune genius theatrical mutungamiri Jury Butusov, Hamlet inobvunza mubvunzo usingati "Kuve kana kuti kwete", asi "Ita izvo zvichazove. Zvose zvinogadziriswa. " Saka handitsvaki kuzviita kuti ndiite chimwe chinhu nekuda kwemitambo, asi ini ndinongozviita. Hate, sezvakataurwa naRanevskaya, achiri chifeve ichocho. Ndinotarisira, iye achandipa nguva yakawanda yekuita zvinhu zvinodiwa.
"Unofunga nezvekufa here?"
Handisi kungofunga nezvazvo, ndinoziva zvakawanda nezvazvo!
"Wakaneta nokutya here?"
Kutanga kwangu kwekutanga kwemoyo kwakaitika pazera remakore makumi maviri nemaviri. Mushure meizvozvo, pane nguva dzenguva, zviitiko. Uye nguva dzose, pasinei nokuti ndine ushingi sei, rufu rwakaramba rwuri kuratidza chiso changu. Saka ndakatarisa mukati maro. Uye kanopfuura kamwe chete. Uye ndakatarisa, ndinoziva kuti hazvina kunaka kutya mukadzi uyu akare.